Ye Shall Not Surely Die Part 4 - Unbiblical Christianity

Once Saved Forever Saved? The bible says you lie!

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The doctrine of eternal security goes so far as to say that once a person has been saved, by sincerely saying the sinner’s prayer, he cannot lose his salvation ever.  Even if he denies Jesus or continues to commit adultery blatantly or practice sorcery, God is able to keep him by his power of salvation.  And those that the Father gives to Jesus, Jesus says nobody can snatch any out of his hands.  Really?  Let’s look at the bible for examples.

1)      Judas

Judas was definitely a believer.  Judas was handpicked by Jesus to be one of the 12 apostles.  Together with the others, he was anointed with the power and sent out by Jesus twice to preach the gospel of the Kingdom.  He was able to perform healing and cast out demons by the power of the Holy Spirit. 

The bible clearly says that Judas has been lost, even though he was given to Jesus by the Father

Joh 17:12  While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled

Does this not clearly show that once a person denies Jesus, he has removed himself out of the will of the Father, and off to hell he goes. A believer can turn into a son of perdition! This is by far the clearest example of a believer, an apostle even going to hell.

2)      Hermeneus, Alexander and Philetus

These 3 were very probably teachers and leaders.  And they were leading people astray with their words, vain babblings and teachings to the extent of shipwrecking their faith.  Let see these few verses :

2Ti 2:17  And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 2Ti 2:18  Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.  2Ti 2:19  Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

1Ti 1:18  This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;  1Ti 1:19  Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:  1Ti 1:20  Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Weren’t they believers?  They were!  And does Paul sound like he is saying they can still be saved despite their erroneous ways and blasphemy? Surely being “delivered unto Satan”  can only mean condemnation.

3)      Diotrephes

Diotrephes was a believer and a church leader of whom we do not know much, save for what John tells us about him:

3Jn 1:9  I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. 3Jn 1:10  Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.  3Jn 1:11  Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

John urges the other believers not to follow the evil ways of Diotrephes because he that is evil has not seen God.  Again, does it look like Diotrephes is going to heaven, unless he turns away from evil?

4)      Ananias and Saphira

Luke relates to us the record of this husband and wife couple in Acts 5, where they sold their property and brought the money to the feet of Peter, to support church life.  So, they were definitely believers, committed enough to sell their property and give the money for the benefit of believers.  However, they did not give truthfully, pretending that they had given all when in fact they had kept back a part of the money.  For this sin of deceit, they died at the words of Peter who said they had lied to God. 

Shall we argue that they are going to heaven to be with God?

And while on these 2 persons, I cannot resist the opportunity to mention that the false teacher Joseph Prince definitely has not read Acts chapter 5.  On page 57 & 58 of his book “Destined to Reign”, he revealed his ignorance of the bible by asking the reader to prove that God had ever punished any New Testament believer who is under grace.  Big names often speak nonsense and write nonsense; which is why I always tell people “Stop reading books that explain the bible, read the bible!”

5)      Saul

1Sa 11:6   tells us the Spirit of God had came upon Saul.  And 1 Samuel 16:14 tell us that the Spirit of God departed from Saul. A person anointed by the Holy Spirit can still lose the anointing and the Spirit leaves him!

Do you think Saul is in heaven after showing himself so disobedient to God?

We can still talk about Adam and Eve, and their son Cain.  In the same vein, they were worshippers of the great Creator God.  The bible clearly says that death came through Adam.  If Adam’s death is purely bodily death, does Jesus need to come to die and live that all may live?

How do the “Once Saved Forever Saved” proponents respond to the above?  There are 2 common ways, the most popular of which is:

“Oh, these people were not really saved from the beginning”, and the other is to ignore these scriptures and continue to push to you their “proof verses”.

As I often countered the Jehovah Witnesses who come to my house, “If you can only push your explanation for your proof verses, while you are being unable to explain, or choose to ignore the other scriptural verses that run counter to your proof verses, something is surely wrong!  Either your explanation is wrong or the bible is self-contradictory, inconsistent and unreliable!”

Jesus made it very clear when He explained:

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.  Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?  Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

These people call Jesus “Lord”, meaning they are believers and followers. These people were empowered by the Holy Spirit to perform miracles and signs and wonders.  These believers were expecting to be received by Jesus to enter into the Kingdom of God, but were rejected.

So,  do you still want to hold on to your belief that you can be a sinful, lying, disobedient, unrepentant follower of Jesus and still enter into his Kingdom?

And did not Jesus say:

Joh 8:32  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free

                                                     

Ye Shall Not Surely Die Part 3 - Unbiblical Christianity

The Evil of The Doctrine of Eternal Security

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The first teacher of eternal security is the serpent, which said to Eve, “Ye shall not surely die”. Eve believed the teaching, and died.

This doctrine is designed attract people who want like the comfort of deceiving themselves that they can enter the Kingdom of God by staying immoral.

Jesus did not teach it. Paul did not teach it. Jude warned against it. There are more than 100 bible verses that tell us that eternal life in Jesus Christ is conditional upon a someone who:

1) believes in Jesus Christ and accepts Him as Lord and Savior,


2) displays evidence of true belief through works of the Holy Spirit in his life ( i.e. transformation ) towards holy living and repentance,

3) endures until the end, never denying Jesus,

Proponents of the doctrine of eternal security will always deny the 2nd and the 3rd conditions. By their teaching, once a person accepts Jesus Christ, he can never lose it whatever he does, including the most abominable sins like homosexuality and adultery, and turning away from God to paganism. In the convoluted minds of these teachers, even as they take away from the word of God, they argue that a believer is adding to the completed work of Jesus Christ if he acts to resist the devil by doing anything to keep himself holy before God.

There are evil people who knowing the evil of this doctrine continue to promote it for the purpose of filthy lucre. They are not stupid.  They are evil.  Yet there are many "educated" Christians who stupidly believe in this convoluted argument. A person can even be educated in a bible college but remains stupid.

The evil of this doctrine is obvious. The motive is to attract members, as many as possible, for more members means more dollars. If they preach true Christianity, which is salvation through holiness, they would not get members. This is because the Western society probably has more homosexuals and adulterers who are not interested in giving up their licentious habits, than people who desire holy living. No members means no filthy lucre for the pastors. Malaysian pastors are also taking up this false doctrine, for the benefits in ringgit is obvious.

Just listen to this so-called pastor, Donald Coleman respond to the case of an abandonment and adultery :




Did you hear that?  An adulterer is on his way to heaven!!  But that is precisely the opposite of the bible says! Read these verses:


Heb 13:4 “Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.”


Rev 21:8 “But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

So, the bible says believers who commit adultery and fornication will have their place in the lake of fire. But to pastors and teachers like Donald Cole, James Dobson, Chuck Swindoll, Charles Stanley and the likes, membership is more important than saving souls.
The book of Jude warns us of such people, who turn the doctrine of grace into a doctrine of licentiousness, and the denial of Jesus Christ.

Jud 1:3 “Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
Jud 1:4 “For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.”

The grace of God is turned to lewdness.  But this is not the emphasis that our church leaders give to the book of Jude. They love to quote the phrase “contending for the faith” out of this book, or talk of the imprisoned angels. But they ignore the main theme, which is turning “turning the grace of our God into lewdness”.

The teachers of the doctrine of eternal security are the children of the Satan, the father of all lies, for they will comfortably deny that they are teaching the freedom to sin and to commit adultery, yet with the very same breath that they teach that you can sin and go to heaven.

So, the bible is clear. If a person who is saved goes on to live a life of unrepentant sinning, he dies. Go read Ezekiel for yourself too, one of which verses say:

Eze 18:24 But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.

A righteous man who turns to evil dies. The unchanging God said it. Period. But the evil teachers speak exactly the opposite. They say that once the blood of Jesus makes a man righteous, he will never die. They conveniently omit to mention that you have to walk in the light for the blood to cleanse you. Once you stop walking in the light, you are not cleansed.

The unpleasant truth is that many foolish minded Christians seek the comfort of lower standards of morality, rather than seek after God’s standards. And in addition to this, they close their minds to the evil that comes out of this doctrine. Jesus says,

Mat 5:48 “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect”

But we prefer to listen to a pastor who gives us the comfort of being an imperfect human being, so that we need not feel convicted by our imperfection. Such is the evil in our own heart that causes us to seek out false teachers, and encourage their proliferation.

Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free..

Ye Shall Not Surely Die Part 2 - Unbiblical Christianity

The Clumsy Verse-twisting Skills of Eternal Security Teachers

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The serpent said to Eve, “Ye shall not surely die”.  The serpent is the first teacher of eternal security.

Many churches are correct in pointing out that the Jehovah Witnesses go to great extent to twist bible verses and meaning of words to get them to say what they choose to believe.   But the same churches that poke their fingers at cults themselves do the same thing.

Here, I will list down some of the more common verses that the eternal security doctrine teachers will use, and how they try to squeeze out the meaning they want out of them.

You will find that “Calvinists” make up the majority of the people who push this doctrine to you, giving it a high-sounding label called “Perseverance of the saints”.  You will also find that this doctrine is highly prevalent among the English-educated and Western-oriented communities, but not among the Oriental Christians. The reason is that the Western society is already too steeped into the sin of adultery and licentiousness of sexual freedom.   Pre-marital sex and extra-marital sex is nothing more than personal liberty, and at most a personal commitment to one’s partner.  Sex is no longer considered as a feel good past time, and no longer under the ambit of God’s purview.  Yet the bible speaks against them.  And, if a church tries to hold firmly to God’s demand on holiness, there is fear of low membership ( which means “no money” coming in ).  So the western church and their leaders must twist scriptures in order to accommodate the culture of liberty, free sex and human rights in order to gain and retain membership.  And so too, in this country of Malaysia, most of those who believe in this “once-saved-forever-saved” doctrine are the English educated segment.

The Silliness and Danger of This Doctrine

Just watch this Youtube report, and see for yourself the evil that this doctrine of the devil can lead to:

Click on these 2 links to watch:

1)      Nick Knapp says George Sodini is Saved

2)      The Truth About Eternal Security by Paul Washer

How They Would Deceive You

And these are the 3 steps they would use to prime you into accepting the false doctrine:

Step 1:    A truly born again Christian, by the Spirit of God will not want to go out to sin.  God will prevent him from sinning i.e. He will be “kept by God” and is thus eternally secure ( Makes you wonder how David continued to commit adultery with Bathsheba, or why Judas went on to betray Jesus, doesn’t it?  Makes you realize why pastors turn a blind eye to adulterers sitting in the pews. )

Step 2.    If a person is truly born again does go on to commit a sin, God will always bring him to repentance again before He is allowed to die.  ( I wonder why Judas was not brought to repentance before he hung himself, neither were Ananias and his wife Saphira ).

Step 3.    Therefore a person truly born again Christian is saved eternally, no matter how he lives and how he dies.

See the simple human logic which is founded on the lustfulness of man and his foolishness is applied?

For a good explanation against the false teaching of Eternal Security, go to: Forgotten Word Ministries.  Another very strong preacher against this false doctrine among the Western preachers is Dan Corner.  Also, you will often find that eternal security teachers blatantly contradict themselves in their effort to support satan’s doctrine.  You will often find them arguing for eternal security while at the same time expounding on verses that speak of conditional security, as if both are the same.

Some of the Verses Taken Out of Context

“and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from ALL sin.” 1 John 1:7	All the sins of a believer are indeed cleansed by the blood of Jesus.  But as soon as a person stops believing, are his sins from that point on still being cleansed?  The  Good News Bible Church seems to think so, or it does not understand the phrase “falling away” from the faith.
Eph 4:30  And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption	Pleasant Ridge Baptist Church argues that once a person is “sealed”, the seal cannot be removed.  Here is an example of “reading meanings into the verse”.  The verse in no way says that, but the Good News Bible Church puts in that meaning by extending on it.
“He made you alive with Him, having forgiven us ALL our transgressions.” Colossians 2:13b	Sure. As soon as a person receives Christ, all his transgressions are forgiven.  And if he gives up on Christ, these transgressions are still forgiven.  But the act of unbelief from that point on leads to his death. The Good News Bible Church  focuses on one word “ALL” and takes it in the wrong direction.
“I give eternal life to them, and they shall NEVER perish.” John 10:28	Sure. Eternal life means a life that does not perish. Jesus was emphasizing the meaning of eternal life.  Jesus wasn’t saying that once a person has received it, he will never lose it. The Good News Bible Church does not understand the English language?
“And everyone who lives and believes in Me shall NEVER die.” John 11:26	History and our personal life experiences tell us that many a Christian has stopped  living or believing in Christ.  Many have changed their beliefs for the sake of love, money, love of life in this flesh or out of disappointment with God. Good News Bible Church does not know about Judas Iscariot?
“I will NEVER desert you, nor will I ever forsake you.” Hebrews 13:5	This verse is not about salvation, but about conduct. But the Good News Bible Church says it does.  In fact, some Christians actually told me that they believe God in their mercy would surely forgive Judas.  They ignore Mar 14:21  which says “The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.”
“For the gifts and the calling of God are IRREVOCABLE.” Romans 11:29	They focus on irrevocable, but ignore the next verse that says that the gift is subject to obedience in order to deceive.  Good News Bible Church
Joh 6:39  This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.	They focus on “I should lose nothing”, but avoid “of all He has given Me”.  So, are all people in the church “given by the Father”? Satan has put his people into the church too.  Jesus will only not lose those “given by the Father”.
Joh 6:44  No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.	How many Christians do you think are in church because the “come to Christ”? How many Christians do you think are in church because they only seek the blessings and gifts of God, but not God.  Just think, the moment a terrorist puts a knife to the head of the believer or his child, and demand he renounce Christ or be killed, how many “Christians” would choose to die?

In the next part, I will show you many of the verses that tell you that neither Jesus, nor  the apostles do not teach eternal security.

The unpleasant truth is that the eternal security doctrine is popular only for 2 reasons:-

1)      To accommodate a licentious lifestyle among Westerners who still want to pretend they are Christians and,

2)      To attract more members to the church for the sake of serving mammon instead of God.

Jesus says:-

Joh 8:32  And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

"You Shall Not Surely Die" Part I - Unbiblical Christianity

8. "Ye shall not surely die”

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The serpent said to Eve, “Ye shall not surely die”.  And it worked.  Eve was deceived.   

Today, the devil is still using this lie, “You will not surely die” in the form of the doctrine of eternal security.  In a nutshell, this doctrine says to this effect:

“After you receive Christ ( say the sinner’s prayer) with sincerity, there is nothing you can do that will cause you to lose your salvation”.  

See how the devil says to you today,  “You will not surely die”?.  You can do anything you want, and you will not surely die.

About 10 years ago, when as a new Christian, my wife and I attended a funeral wake; at Jinjang, I think. It was a Christian funeral.  There were non-Christians there, too.  And being new Christians, fresh and hot, we began to evangelize the non-Christians there with boldness.  Now, among them was a young Buddhist couple and one of them said, “But your God is so unfair.  Once a person becomes His follower, the follower can continue to lie, cheat and commit crimes; and all he has to do every time is to turn to your God and say ‘Forgive me’ and your God will forgive him”.   

The Buddhist just pointed out something very valid.  Where is the holiness and righteousness of God in this matter?  Is not our God's holiness and righteousness His two foremost uncompromising qualities?  If His holiness and righteousness can be compromised, is He still a God worthy of honor and praise?  No, I believe these two qualities are the core qualities of God which are not compromisable.  Correct me if I am wrong.

Now, have you ever noticed how ambivalent is your church leadership’s stand on this issue of “eternal security”?   By saying "no", it is afraid of losing membership.  By saying "yes", it is also afraid of losing membership.

But surprising though, the vast majority of the Christians that I have spoken to in private,  I am glad to say, ( except for the followers of Joseph Prince, and those who chase after the extreme grace teachings of American and Western preachers, especially the television personalities ), do not really believe in the doctrine of eternal security!  So that is a definite conflict between the official stand of the church leadership as against the personal stand of the majority of the believers.  But the believers, as usual are too chicken to voice out and demand the leadership correct itself formally.

All that time, my wife and I had learned of the doctrine of eternal security from the church leaders and older members.  They would tell us that once a person is a Christian, his salvation is guaranteed. Wow! What good news indeed! And this is what we in turn, used to tell others as well, because it sounds so good.  Consequently, some Christians have become very offended with the slightest suggestion that there could be a possibility that some of us may not be saved.  To them, for us to say that we may lose our salvation is to accuse our God of being incapable of keeping His promise of salvation to us.  So out of this, the doctrine called “eternal security”, or “once-saved-always-saved” had been developed, so that our God can be projected as a ever faithful and loving God.  In their earnestness to assure themselves of this guarantee, they have twisted the actual teachings of the bible, and even Jesus’ warnings on this matter.  They do this by totally ignoring clear and distinct verses that tell us that only true followers of Jesus Christ will be saved. 

Even normally reliable preachers like the late Walter Martin, Chuck Missler, Chuck Smith – all preachers of renown, have arrived at the conclusion that there cannot be such a thing as an untrue Christian.   To put dissenters down, some of these renowned preachers even come up with silly questions like “Do you mean to say that a person is unsaved in the morning because of his sin this morning and becomes saved again when he confesses his sin at night?” This is their attempt to ridicule those who do not take their side, and sadly most people are taken aback by this ridicule.  But famous preachers can also take stupid stands.  They did not realize that when they ask a question like this, they also saying that Jesus judges his followers by the minute.  Is that what the bible says about judgment?  Surely not.  The books will only be opened at judgment day ( See Revelation 20:12).  In their blind attempt to ridicule others, they make fools of themselves.

So, scriptures are indeed being interpreted out of context in order to conform to this teaching of the serpent.  The fact that such a doctrine goes against the doctrine of the holiness and righteousness of God is conveniently ignored. The meaning of the word “works” has even been expanded to include any conscious act of showing belief in Christ, showing faith in God, or confession of sin,  which would nullify God’s grace. What nonsense! Think of it.  Faith is works!  Confession is works! How silly can teachers be!

How in the world can they ever postulate that that holy and righteous God would compromise on His holiness and righteous for the sake of His people.   To do so, God would not longer be holy and righteous!

To this therefore  I say “NO! God’s holiness and righteousness can never be compromised; his grace and love is still subject to His holiness and righteousness”

Now, do these teachers know that their stand is actually indefensible? Yes, actually they do.  Remember Judas?  Remember what Jesus said of Judas in Mar 14:21;

The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.

Remember also names like Hermeneus or Alexander, or Diotrephes in the epistles?  These were obviously people who started off as believers, who later strayed the other way. 

Since the scriptures cannot be denied, these teachers have twisted themselves into a knot trying to stubbornly defend that doctrine of the devil.  And here is the silly statement from them to get out of the fix they created for themselves -  “Those so-called Christians who turn away from God were never Christians in the first place, so Judas was never a follower of Jesus!”.  So we see, they do agree that Christians who turn away from God are really not saved after all, and since they cannot find disagree, they came up with that silly desperate statement of defense.

We know that today, not all theologians are Spirit-led.  As a matter of fact, some of these theologians are not even Christians.  They merely studied for the degree as a degree of learning, in order to earn a qualification to earn a living.  They have twisted scriptures into new packaging in order to market themselves as experts, thereby doing evil to the scriptures.   These theologians have written many books on Christianity which are being used by bible colleges, and many are also lecturing in bible colleges and seminaries.  The devil has surely put his people in strategic places to deceive the elect.

Beware therefore, of the serpent who said “Ye shall not surely die”.  For Eve believed the serpent and died, taking Adam and the whole human race along.  Jesus have provided us THE WAY to life again, why fall for the same lie?

Now, God is surely able to protect His Word as recorded in Proverbs 30:6

“Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”

In the next article, I will list out some of the scriptures will clearly says that not all Christians will be saved, and these teachers of false doctrines are surely put to shame.

The unpleasant truth is false teaching abound.  The bible warns us so.  But we do not pay heed to the scriptures.  We only pay heed to people with titles and status.

Jesus says,
Joh 8:32  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.