Sunday, November 27, 2011

What is a cult?

CULTIST BEHAVIOR IS SO TYPICAL

Just yesterday, someone from India, a so-called "bible translator" got very, very upset with me.  I believe that he happens to hold the belief that there is no eternal punishment in hell, and he also happened to read my earlier post that describes such believers as cultists.  He charged that I do not read the scriptures, accused me of unjustly labeling anyone who disagrees with me as a cultist.  Boy, was he mad.  Anyway, I have nothing against the person; he is a deceived person and does not know it.  It is the organization and the leadership which deceives that need to be addressed.

The "pagan" cross still on Jehovah Witnesses' founders tomb
Consequently, we had an extraordinarily long exchange of views over Facebook, which covered many other cult teachings.  And as can be expected, in typical cultist fashion he responded with what I called "canned teachings" and could not answer questions posed to him.  Finally it all ended with him literally foaming in the mouth, scolding, grumbling and calling me names, including denigrating my command of the English language.  After he got checkmated twice in the discussions, he went growling grrrr! grrrr ! grrrrr ! on Facebook against me for the next 3 hours!  Now, that is a really bad loser!  Ah well... all in a day's work of upholding the word of God.  I had a bit of fun goading him on his childish grumbling, though. He was also very deceptive declaring that he does not belong to any group or organization.  But I do recognize the pattern of his arguments and can guess which cult he belongs to.  He denies it though. That's honesty for you. So, for formal purposes, I'll just say I do not know which cult he belongs to, since he is too chicken to admit it.

Now, one of the things that he hankered on was the question "Where does the bible define a cult?".  It appeared that he was trying to say that since a cult is not defined in the bible, then nobody knows what a cult is.  Really?  I think that is silly, blinkered logic.  The bible does not contain the word bible either.  So the bible cannot exist either.  Does it sound logical to you?

So, what is a cult?

Here is my view of what is a Christian cult.  Any group or organization of people who label themselves as Christians but teaches against the essential doctrines of the Christianity is a cult.  It does not matter that the members live exemplary lives under the rules of that organization.  If their teachings go against the grain of Christianity, deny the deity of Christ or they teach another gospel, another Christ or another Spirit; they constitute cult.  So, just because a person disagrees with me does not make him a cultist.  For that matter, a person who disagrees with the bible might not even be a cultist; he is only an unbeliever.  It is those who pass themselves off as Christians and bible believers, who pass themselves off as followers of Jesus that are cultists.  These are the pseudo-Christians.  They are not bible believers.  They are bible readers who do not believe what they read.

Characteristics of a cult

It is very easy to spot a cult. The most glaring one is this stand of theirs: "If you do not belong to our church ( or organization, or assembly ) you are going to hell".   And with that, you immediately spot the Roman Catholic church, the Watchtower Organization aka Jehovah Witness, The Church of the Latter Day Saints aka the Mormons and the 7th Day Adventists.  The Jehovah Witness condemn everybody to hell.  The Mormons condemn them and all others to hell. The pope does the same to everybody ( but of late, he is ecumenising though ). And the 7th Day Adventist think that only heaven is full of Sabbath worshippers only.  They have yet to learn ( or prefer not to acknowledge ) that it is one's personal relationship with Jesus that is the only deciding factor. 

The 2nd characteristic you never fail to spot is the presence of a strong personality, dead or alive or a leadership position whose instructions and teachings are considered infalliable, and authority is held unquestioned awe; and even if these clowns have been proven to be wrong or prophesized falsely, it does not matter to them.  That brings to mind the Pope, who is considered infalliable despite all the boo-boos of his position, Pastor Russell of the Watchtower, Ellen G. White of the 7th Day Adventists and Joseph Smith of the Mormons are all proven to be false prophets and false teachers.  Ellen White has been proven to be plagiarize her teachings from other authors and mistakenly predicted the 2nd coming of Jesus in the 1840's; Joseph Smith was jailed for the infamous magical wheat plant fraud, and died fighting his way out of jail; Pastor Charles Russell also wrongly prophesized the 2nd coming as being 1872, a habit his successors continued with a not less than another 5 dates until 1975!  These false prophets still have many willing followers.

Thirdly, you can always recognize the cultist by his doting and blind defense of the founder or the head of that organization.  Among the behaviors you will see are:

1)      He gets very upset or even offended by any criticism of the leader
2)      He ignores all evidence ( evidence, mind you not hearsay ) against the leaders or the organization
3)      He responses by making excuses on behalf of the leader, like "Oh, you must hear the full teaching first" or "You must listen to the full series", "No, he didn't mean it that way", even when you point out to specific errors.
4)      He often even attacks your person ( by attacking your integrity or calling you names ) rather than discuss the evidence.  Why he might even attack you physically.
The 4th characteristic of a cultist is his inability to hold a meaningful discussion on what he thinks he knows and what he thinks you don’t know.  He is there to tell you that he is right without being able to rationalize or substantiate, except with what he has been spoon-fed with.  He is not there to listen for intellectual debate and truth-seeking.  He just wants to state his spoon-fed views to you.  He even taunts and mocks at you with spoon-fed standard remarks that he learned from his superiors.  As you point out issues and scriptures to him, he either begins to ping-pong around by switching topics midway or he puts up his mental shutters.  He will not listen to you and say, “Hmm, let me check this out first”.  And finally, be ready to be called names if he is cornered and cannot back out.  Words like “ignorant”, “stubborn”, “unlearned”, "illiterate" and then "semi-literate", “ignoramus” and so on will be used to describe you.  They accuse you of being prideful and conceited.  All standard behavior of a cultist.  The more refined ones will just keep silent, shutdown and asked to be excused.   So, as the word of God says, the god of this world has veiled their minds.

Now, I am writing from the experiences of direct encounters with them.  I am not writing out of copying from other people’s opinions.  I invite cultists into my home for discussions as often as I have the opportunity.  They never last more than 5 sessions, the longest being a Korean, a really sweet guy.  Usually 2 sessions maximum.  When they cannot answer questions, they stop coming and shut you out from their list.
There are many, many more identifying marks of a cult and cultist.  Let me just refer you to these sites:

 Apologetics Index - Characteristics of cults  and The Christian Research Institute 

You just google for more information on your own.  The foremost teacher against cultism is the late Dr Walter Martin whose teachings are real eye-openers.

It is interesting to note that cults are never consistent in what they teach.  As an example, Watchtower aka Jehovah Witnesses claim that the cross is a pagan sign.  But it is strange to note that they used the sign of the cross on the tomb of their founder and also on the Watchtower Magazine.  So, what are pagan signs doing in their libraries and bookshelves?  Why is the cross still on the tomb of their revered founder?

Cultist Inconsistencies -Cross on the Watchtower Mag.
Conclusion
So, if you do not agree with me, you are not a cultist.  If you do not believe the bible and do not claim to be a Christian, you are not a cultist.  If you are a Christian, and you disagree with me on non-salvation issues like head-covering for women, how baptism should be done, whether the rapture is before or after the tribulation and for that matter even the nature of the Trinity, you are not a cultist in my book.

But you are a cultist if you claim to be a Christian but you teach against the core doctrines of Christianity and especially if you claim that membership in your organization is the ONLY way to heaven. So, do you teach believers to talk to statues and dead people or their pictures to ask them to mediate for you?  Do you teach that you must do good works so that you can be saved?  Do you teach that Jesus is not God?  Do you teach that the there is no eternal punishment, or soul sleep?  Do you teach that the Holy Spirit is a thing, an energy field or a power of God: at "it" and not "HE" ?  You do? Then, you are a cultist because you are teaching another gospel, another Jesus and another Spirit. And for, that you are cursed ( not by me but ) by the bible which you profess to believe, but don't:

Gal 1:9  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
The cultist does not realize he is already under mind-control, else he would not be under mind-control, would he?  And so, when he read the scriptures his mind would skip over this verse:

2Co 11:4  For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him
He does not realize that the bible warns against people coming to teach another Jesus, another gospel and another spirit which does not fit the description for them as is in the bible.

So, you are cursed by the bible.  That means you are going to hell!  Do I judge you or is the word of God judging you.  Your soul – you decide.

Jesus says in John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."

31 comments:

  1. [I am sure that the author of this blog wont retain this comment.]

    I am the Bible Translator that Mr Wang has mentioned in this blog.

    If you anyone wants to see the truth I can paste the whole conversation here. Once Mr. Wang was not listening to scriptural proofs and when his claims that regarding the presence of certain words were proved wrong, he started behaving like a pest and nuisance and I had to use harsh words to silence him.

    If he is a true Christian he has to behave like a Christian.

    My point regarding his ignorance of English is proved by the fact that a sentence that I wrote and Microsoft Word's spelling and grammar check says as correct is termed as wrong by Mr. Wang.

    I have nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses or any other groups, as falsely alleged by Mr. Wang!

    Bible Students from US to New Zealand know me as their severest critic. Most of them won't even befriend me on social networking sites.

    Mr. Wang argues about things that he has no knowledge of.

    [I am sure he will add rejoinders or block me or remove this comment.]

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  2. Wang,

    You should be really having a problem in not understanding the above statement that I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

    Your repeating unfounded things stands as proof for your comprehension skills and language skills.

    I have no NWT. So I am not responsible for what is written therein. (read this sentence a few times, till you understand it.)

    //By the way, why are you afraid to admit you are a Jehovian, and not a Christian? //

    Here is your language skills and extreme ignorance.

    NO HUMAN BEING CAN CLAIM TO BE JEHOVAH! (THE NATIONAL GOD OF ISRAEL.)

    If you wanted to ask me whether I am ashamed to call myself a Jehovah's Witness, here is my answer: (since I have answered I am not a JW.)

    Will you feel happy if someone calls you a terrorist or pirate?

    Regarding watchtower brainwashing me: YOU WANT TO BRAND ME AS A JW WHILE I AM NOT, at least wash your brain to understand this fact.

    I do not belong to any group or organisation. (This you told is the symptom of a cult. But you told me in your FB conversation that you do not belong to any organisation.)

    Regarding HE Not in NWT's John 16:7
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    I am not answerable for someone else's work. If you want to question, question the people who translated it.

    Are you, a grown up man, not ashamed of going around making baseless charges?

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  3. Ahhh, Mr. Tomsan you have identified yourself. Good. Now,

    1) I notice you did not rebut what I write in this article.

    2) You failed to mention how you cannot explain the Holy Spirit is called by the pronoun HE in your New World Translation bible, when you insist the Holy Spirit is an "it". When do you think Watchtower will come up with another edition of NWT to cover up their mistake?

    3) Don't worry I won't delete what you write. I am open to discussions without getting mad.

    4) I post the whole uneditted link here to save you the job of cutting and pasting : http://www.facebook.com/golda.jasmine#!/golda.jasmine/posts/192369124180369?cmntid=192776304139651

    Don't be angry at me. Be angry at what the Watchtower which taught you all the wrong things!

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  4. OK. You made your point. So you are not a Jehovah Witness, but just someone who shares exactly what they believe. Fine.

    As to what Jehovah is, Can you explain why there are 2 Alphas ( first ) and Omegas (last) in the bible - Both Jehovah and Jesus claim it.

    Call me anything you want. I will only get upset if I happen to be what you say I am and I happen to know that it wrong and don't want to admit it. Let's start a new debate on the Jehovah issue, starting with how the word Jehovah came about. Let's do it on Facebook again, without you losing your cool this time, that is.

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  5. Wang,

    Why should I answer for the work of someone else? Be it KJV or NWT (which I don't even use)?

    I AM NOT JEHOVAH (that is the English rendition of the Hebrew name יהוה)

    I AM NOT JEHOVAH'S WITNESS - so why should I answer for their deeds or work?

    YOU NEED READING SKILLS AND COMPREHENSION SKILLS IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND REPEATED AFFIRMATIONS.

    ARE YOU ANSWERABLE FOR WHAT MORMONS DO?

    IF YOU ARE ANSWERABLE FOR THE DEEDS OF MORMONS, I CAN BE ANSWERABLE FOR WHAT JWS DO!

    Try to make sense for a change.

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  6. Wang,

    You do not even read what others write, since you are busy on your judgement seat.

    Repeating a lie won't make you look any good in anyone's sight!

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  7. //You made your point. So you are not a Jehovah Witness, but just someone who shares exactly what they believe.//

    They believe in many things, I DO NOT. How can you say I believe exactly what the believe?

    Who appointed you take decisions on what I believe or do not believe? Who are you to decide and pronounce judgement?

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  8. NOTED that:

    1) You are NOT answerable for the appearance of the word HE for the Holy Spirit in the NWT bible ( In fact it appears in every bible). You are not refuting it, and you are NOT ABLE to answer for it, although you believe that Holy Spirit is an "it". Fine. I will have to accept your stand as it is.

    2) You agree that the name "Jehovah" is an English rendition of the tetragrammaton YHWH which cannot be pronounced and nobody actually knows how it is supposed to be read. So, insisting that the name of God must be read as Jehovah is a fallacy. Fine. Therefore there is no need to debate the issue.

    We will stick to the issue and forget about your personal attacks whenever you cannot argue your point.

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  9. //We will stick to the issue and forget about your personal attacks whenever you cannot argue your point.//

    You had no points, man. You are proved wrong on every so called points you made on FB and you started running verse to verse, because you were proved wrong on your arguments on each one of them.

    Even while I gave you 173 proofs (many I pasted on FB, because FB restricts the length of comments) from the scriptures that αὐτός (G846) need not mean a male personal pronoun you started screaming those checkmates!

    While you failed on every points you made, you wanted to discuss Kingdom and 144,000!

    Running from pillar to post and claiming victory while you are vanquished are the proofs of ignorance and frustration.

    Surrendering to the Word of God (not translations or traditions) is the identifications of a child of God. Not behaving immaturely and spreading lies.

    Behave your age. At this age people look up to you for wisdom and maturity than spreading gossips and canards!

    [You always seek to be the final word. If you want it to so, admit your mistakes.]

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  10. Quoting Gal 1:9 on fellow Christians has been a practice of every group / denomination / cult / sect. There is nothing great. Everyone claims that he/she is in truth and others are spreading evil gospel.

    Even Mormons and devil worshipers use the same verse on those who disagree with them!

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  11. Good of you to respond. As usual, I will ignore your personal attacks. Let me just respond to bible issues:

    1) Your 173 examples of "it" as the translation of the Greek word "autos" all refer to things that are not of human form. You ignore the fact that "autos" has consistently been used for all incidence of a living person. A living person has never been assigned the pronoun of "it". So the KJV bible translators have been very consistent.

    2) As to the matter of suggestion to debate 144000 in heaven, it was raised only after the HE issue ( I think ) could not be rebutted and no more meaningful discussions was possible. I also suggested discussing other topics, too. In any normal debate, there must reach a point where both sides will have to agree to disagree, which is something you cannot accept. I suppose the thought of "losing" is tough on you, even though I had told you that winning and losing is not the issue, that you did not lose, but the truth won, not me. Well, we could go on and on. Unless you have something concrete to propose, I suggest that I will ignore your "bad loser" ramblings from this point on. I will only respond to your rebuttals to the truth or otherwise of what I wrote on this article "What is a cult". All other ramblings will be ignored.

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  12. 1) Autos does not guarantee gender. (KJV was also consistent about unicorns and many other errors!)

    2) 144,000 issue came up because you had nothing to say as you were proved wrong! You were begging to move to new subject thinking that you can prove something there. It was me who stood the ground!

    Truth won!!! Great! Where is truth in a person who consistently spread lies and gossips? (I am not quoting scriptures to prove this point, because it will sound harsh).

    Rambling? Is this blog not your rambling while you are proven wrong?

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  13. Good, you still have one valid issue "autos". Who said anything about autos being related to gender? All I said was "autos" is used consistently as a pronoun for a living being, just as you are a living being. "it" is used only for non-humans or inanimate objects. So, you still cannot get out of this truth.

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  14. //All I said was "autos" is used consistently as a pronoun for a living being,//

    The fact that there are more than 173 usages of autos to indicate non living things and places itself is a proof that it is not a personal pronoun!

    61 times it is translated as SHE.
    106 times as HER.

    So you can as well argue that Holy Spirit is a SHE!

    800+ times as THEY, THEM!

    So you can say Holy Spirit is multiple persons or a crowd.

    Where is truth in your pitiable ignorance and arrogant conceit?

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  15. Using your line of argument, the same autos is applied to Jesus, and all the males could well be female by your own logic. Let me give you 2 verses that refers to God with autos G846.

    Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him,G846, and he would have given thee living water

    Joh 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth hisG846, him he heareth.

    I am sure there are more. So, using your logic I say back to you: "So you might as well say that God is a she?"

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  16. Read the scriptures. God is a spirit. In the spirit realm there is no gender.

    There is no flesh, blood or bones for the spirit.

    Your lame logic (that you revealed through FB) that spirits have flesh and bones has no scriptural support. Jesus clearly said that spirit has no flesh or bones:

    Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a SPIRIT HATH NOT FLESH AND BONES, as ye see me have.

    Spirit that has no flesh cannot have gender.

    We are talking about spirit, not about Jesus who lived as man on earth.

    You cannot do anything about your lack of common sense! Neither can I instill common sense into you!

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  17. You said //In the spirit realm there is no gender.//

    Yes, God is a Spirit. Now read this carefully:

    Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship himG846 in spirit and in truth.

    OOoops. Bible refers to that Spirit as HIM G846. Checkmate.

    Now, where is my commonsense. My lack of biblical training must have caused me to misread John 4:24.

    Now back to the subject, I repeat: Bible refers to the Holy Spirit in a human pronoun. Doesn't matter it is male or female, although the bible does use the masculine form. Checkmate again.

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  18. God is a Spirit.

    Addressing the USA as male and India as female is linguistic convention! To know that you need to have readership!

    Coming to personal pronoun on Holy Spirit:

    How a person be poured out?
    How a person be taken from one and given to many?

    (May be, as I have answered you on FB, your this third person may be blood alone so that this HE can be poured and can be given by blood transfusion to another.)

    Instead of blah, blah and your meaningless checkmate answer these specific questions:

    How a person be poured out?
    How a person be taken from one and given to many?

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  19. You still at it? And you still don't get it? And you still don't admit you are a JW? Even your defense is a canned statement "How a person be poured out?" from the Watchtower web page!

    The Holy Spirit is a person in nature ( not in the physical body ). He is still a spirit in form, so what is your difficulty with that? And pouring is used as an expression .... we pour out love .. we pour out our sorrows or trouble ... etc. So, do you see love physically dripping out? Do you see your friend weighted down physically by your problems?

    EVERY BIBLE SAYS GOD IS A HE. EVERY BIBLE SAY HOLY SPIRIT IS A HE.

    Now go and translate your own new bible that says otherwise, or quickly make changes to the NWT so that the embarrassing evidence will disappear forever from your bible.

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  20. You have no answer for specific questions I asked above.

    How do you pour a HE? How you take a HE from one person and give to many?

    (I have already told you that I have nothing to do with NWT, Oh! but your poor grasping power!)

    You fly on unicorn, because that is the great find of KJV!

    Ok, you cannot answer specific questions! Blah, Blah is your forte!

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  21. There you go again! I answered you that the Holy Spirit is a person in nature and still as spirit in form. Of course he can be poured out. If you ask the same question aqain, I will not bother to answer you. A

    nd if you also want the last word on this comment column, just let me know. I will let you have that, you little boy.

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  22. You did not and cannot answer as to HOW A PERSON CAN BE POURED OUT?

    HOW A PERSON CAN BE TAKEN FROM ANOTHER PERSON AND GIVEN TO MANY?

    Try to answer!

    (I want answer, if the answer is given yours will be the last post. But the answer has to make sense, rather than screaming checkpoints and grrr!)

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  23. You said "You did not and cannot answer as to HOW A PERSON CAN BE POURED OUT?" and I am patiently answering with the same answer ...

    1) "the Holy Spirit is a person in nature and still as spirit in form. Of course he can be poured out. " There is the answer. A person in nature and a spirit in form.

    2) " The Holy Spirit is a person in nature and still a spirit in form. So what is the problem of the person of the Holy Spirit being given to many?"

    If you cannot understand, who can help you?

    By the way, you have never responded to :

    1) How can a "thing" be grieved? ( The Holy Spirit can be grieved Eph 4:30)

    2) How can a "thing" guide,speak,hear show us the truth? (The Holy Spirit can John 16:13 )

    How a a "thing" command people to go here and there? ( The Holy Spirit commanded Philip Act 8:29 )

    How can a "thing" say instruct( The Holy Spirit did that Act 10:19-2o, Act 11:12 )

    How can a "thing" allow and disallow something to happen? The Holy Spirit can do it. Act 16:7

    How can a "thing" help you in your intercession? ( The Holy Spirit does that Rom 8:9 )

    Can a "thing" fellowship with you? ( The Holy Spirit can Php 2:1 )

    How can a "thing" search the deep things of God" ( 1Co 2:10 The Holy Spirit does that )


    This verse makes it so clear that the Spirit is a person "1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly .."


    Can electricity, or magnetic field or gamma ray speak? .......


    Finally, ask yourself this: " Does the Holy Spirit dwell in me, Tomsan Katackal".

    Rom 8:9 .... Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    THE SPIRIT HAS LIFE. THE SPIRIT TALKS. THE SPIRIT MAKES DECISIONS, INSTRUCTS PEOPLE GETS ANGRY ...... Period.

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  24. //A person in nature and a spirit in form.//

    A PERSON IS A HUMAN BEING.
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    per·son   [pur-suhn] noun
    1. a human being, whether man, woman, or child: The table seats four persons.
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    Num 23:19 God is not a man...
    Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit:

    GOD is NOT a PERSON. Same is the case with Holy Spirit.

    IF HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON, HOLY SPIRIT CANNOT DWELL IN A HUMAN BEING! If it is a spirit or power it can dwell.

    HOW DO YOU TAKE A PERSON FROM ANOTHER PERSON? (Other than by delivery).

    You can share the spirit that dwells in a person with others. (By means of educating, counselling and so on.)

    To answer your final question.
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    There is no Holy Spirit in you, Mr. Wang! If you have any spirit of God, even an iota of enlightening in you, you would have realized the errors and repented and started studying the Word of God.

    You are ruled by human traditions, vain worldliness and spirit or reviling and challenging.

    Most of all, spreading lies and canards do not befit children of God.
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    Learn to prove yourself! Rather than screaming checkmate and Grrr!

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  25. I think you have severe retardation. I never said that Holy Spirit is a "thing" as you allege with your habitual lying words.

    I told Spirit is Spirit and is NOT a person (human being, person is always human in English).

    Your poor language skills, substandard education and lack of common sense are the real blocks in understanding simple things. There is nothing I can do about it.

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  26. Hmmmm, let me try my English skills on you then, Mr English language expert and see if you agree to this application. I will construct this sentence for you :

    "I debated with a Mr Tomsan on some matters and offered it my point of view, but it doesn't agree with me".

    If you can tell me that the above use of "it" is correct and doesn't turn you into a "thing", I will say you won this debate.

    I will not lower my dignity by using abusive words at you despite your inability to hold a debate properly and with courtesy.

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  27. And just a further rebuttal: this issue of "IT" being applied to the Holy Spirit was debated with you on Facebook because you are one of those who agree that the Holy Spirit is an IT and not a HE. So, unless you agree that the Holy Spirit is a HE, you have been effectively treating the Holy Spirit as a "thing", just as what I treat you as when I refer to you in the 3rd person pronoun as an "it".

    And although you have forgotten to rebut the contents of this article, I have been gracious enough to allow you to spillover our debate from Facebook, even though you could never defend your interpretations.

    Whether my command of the English language is substandard or not can easily be discerned by the other readers of this blog. But your abusive approach in this debate, and on Facebook has shown others your lack of etiquette and courtesy, for all the "education" that you have received.

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  29. I have deleted the contents of the above comment and deleted another comment entirely since the 27th. Action is due to the person's continuing raving, ranting and his use of inappropriate language. All further comments posted by Mr. Tomsan will be similarly deleted without viewing.

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  30. Hi Guys,

    18 months on and all is silent but your comments are out there on the Internet for all to see!

    It is right to debate but it all became rather over heated and rude and definitely against the Works of God!

    Mr T Kattackal, you need to ask God to remove the demons of arrogance and pride?

    Do not dare to attack my English Language skills as English is my mother tongue and my abilities in that department is at degree level. In that case, l will judge Wang Tak on his English Language skills. Mr Tak, your English is very good and l compliment you in a fair way!

    In regards to the view one should take of the Holy Spirit, l inform you that He is not an It! He is Jesus your Master and He is a Spirit and your Lord. Watch out that you do not offend Him!

    Mr Tak, l want you to remember that people are not perfect and can make errors. Mr Kattackal, l want you to remember that people are not perfect and they can make errors. Thank our Lord that He bought your sins?

    Regards

    Jane

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    1. Dear Jane,
      Are you implying that we are not to expose errors? Are you implying only perfected people are qualified to point out errors of others?

      I hope not.

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