Thursday, September 29, 2011

Who are the teachers of Baptismal Regeneration?



They Are Now Divided Among Themselves


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Creating Jargons To Create Air of Special Knowledge

One thing I have noticed about human organizations’ effort at making themselves special, is the skill at creating a niche by inventing special words and phrases.   We can call it jargons – special terms, with special meanings which you must accept in order to qualified or accepted as a member, to be recognized that you are separate from others.  You never see Jesus doing that, neither his apostles.  And so we see this in religious groups, and we see this also with professional bodies.  Auditors create their own special terms, lawyers have their collection of Latin words, doctors choose to use Greek, and so on.  I have digressed.

Baptismal regeneration is one such term.  When I wrote that piece earlier on about the false doctrine of “must baptize”, I did not know that they have already created this sophisticated-sounding term for it.  It means being regenerated again through water baptism. 

I say, how did these theologians come up with the idea that dunking a person into water, or sprinkling water on him can regenerate him?  When they were studying for their degrees, did they not learn that it is the spirit that quickens, not the water?  So much for theologians; but still, I do not write them off totally.  I can still learn a thing or two from them always,  either from the positive or negative perspective.  But then, I also learn much from people who do not have degrees.  You will be amazed by the wisdom of some of the Orang Asli tribals in the jungle, who have not even gone past Standard One in school. So much for theologians.


The Original Teachers of Baptismal Regeneration

Now, which are the churches that insist on this false doctrine?  The Roman Catholic church ( which I consider as somewhere between pagan and fringe ) apparently is the inventor of this doctrine. 


The Eastern Orthodox churches, from which the Roman Catholic church sprung out of ( they love to deny this!) also holds to this heresy.  And to this list you can also add the Oriental Orthodoxy and the Assyrian Church of the East.  Maybe the Roman Catholics are not the inventors of this heresy, but the Orthodox?  I guess more research may be needed, but it is of no essential importance to know, anyway.

Martin Luther taught this doctrine ( Martin Luther was no more in Roman Catholicism, but Roman Catholicism was still inside of him ).  However, Martin Luther appeared to have 2nd thoughts about what he taught, because article 251 in Luther’s Small Catechism does state that water baptism may not be absolutely necessary.  Here again, I would like to point out that he deceptively wrote 2 contradictory stands, in his effort to put his feet on both sides.   I find false teachers, people like Joseph Prince, Joel Osteen, Rick Warren, the once-saved-forever-saved bunch,  and the likes often using this trick. Very slick.  You quote that part that suits the hearer, or when challenged on one, you can get out of it by moderating your position with the other stand.  Slick. Read how Martin Luther does it for yourself:

 
What Luther wrote: What you should notice:

What does Baptism give or profit?
Answer. It works forgiveness of sins, delivers from death and the devil, and gives eternal salvation to all who believe this, as the words and promises of God declare.

Here, he says that baptism gives eternal salvation to all who believe, does he not?


How can water do such great things?
Answer.  It is not the water indeed that does them, but the word of God which is in and with the water, and faith, which trusts such word of God in the water. For without the word of God the water is simple water and no baptism.


Now, here you find him saying somewhat the opposite of the above.  This is what I call deception.
This way, when he is challenged on the above, he qualifies himself with this part.  If not challenged, the above becomes the rule.
 

 
So too, the Anglican church ( Remember that the Anglicans came out of Roman Catholic church NOT because of any disagreement with doctrines, but because of political power, money and control ), and John Wesley, founder of the Methodist church also taught this heresy.  See The Works of John Wesley, Volume:10 Page:192  Wesley had come out of the Anglicans, which kept its Catholic habits for a long, long time, and still do.  Just look at some of their liturgies, priestly garb, candles and religious rituals event today!  But it might appear that the Methodist church today no longer agree with their founding father on this matter.

However, it must be said there factions in these church which have recognized that the teaching is wrong.  And so, we also have Lutheran, Methodist and Anglican churches that no longer believe in baptismal regeneration.  Hello! Both cannot be right! Wakey! Wakey!


Other Later Teachers

There are also cults, and fringe Christian groups that subscribe to this heresy.  Among them are the United Pentecostals ( which operates outside of the main Pentecostal movement ), the Mormons ( a very established cult, very respectable and often mistakenly accepted as Christian by the media and government bodies ).  It is known  that another fringe group, The Church of Christ International have also picked up on this teaching.


Conclusion

Now, do you know why the bible has put all those warnings in the New Testament against false teachers, false doctrines, doctrines of demons, vain philosophies of man, fables, etc, etc?   Or have you been comfortably ignoring those warnings?  Have you been thinking that the warnings were put in there to fill up the pages so that the bible can look fatter and better? 

It is about obedience, not salvation
Or have you already become numbed to discomforts and doubts of contradictory teachings in the churches, that you just choose to believe what you want to believe?  In which case, what you prefer is blind faith which is not true faith.

The truth is this: it is important to be baptized as a mark of obedience to the command of Jesus to be baptized; not that baptism by itself saves.  One is saved by belief, and the moment one believes, one is saved.  The moment one loses that belief, one loses his salvation ( and forget that crock teaching that says that a believer cannot lose his salvation.  Judas was lost, and he was even a apostle with anointing to do miracles ).


Jesus says in John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."

4 comments:

  1. I Corinthians 15:29

    Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?


    This is a very odd passage of Scripture. The Mormons use this passage as the basis for their belief in Baptism for the Dead. I will present the orthodox Christian/Lutheran view of this passage below, but first I would like us to look at something else in this passage that is odd:

    If the Church in Corinth had been taught by the Apostle Paul that the manner in which one is saved is to pray (verbally or nonverbally) a sincere, penitent, prayer/petition to God, such as a version of the Sinner's Prayer, why does this passage of God's Holy Word discuss baptisms for the dead and not "prayers for the dead", specifically, praying a version of the Sinner's Prayer for the dead?

    Isn't that really odd? No matter what activity was actually going on in the Corinthian church regarding "the dead", why is the discussion/controversy about baptism and not the "true" means of salvation according to Baptists and evangelicals: an internal belief in Christ; an internal "decision" for Christ?

    And even more odd...why didn't Paul scold the Corinthians for focusing so much on baptism which he had surely taught them (according to Baptists and evangelicals) was nothing other than an act of obedience; a public profession of faith??

    Why so much emphasis on baptism?

    Is it possible that the reason that the Corinthians were so concerned about baptism is that they had been taught by the Apostle Paul and other Christian evangelists that salvation and the promise of the resurrection of the dead and eternal life are received in Baptism, just as orthodox Christians, including Lutherans, have been teaching for almost 2,000 years??

    Gary
    Luther, Baptists, and Evangelicals

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  2. 1) Why so much emphasis on baptism?
    Correct! We should not quarrel so much over it. Baptism does not save. The convict on the cross was not baptised, but he was saved. Nonetheless, baptism is an important commandment and since Jesus commands it, it should be done as soon as possible, and if there is nothing to prevent it.

    2) the "true" means of salvation ??

    a) It is BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH that you are saved and NOT OF WORKS, lest anyone should boast.

    b) He that believes IN HIS HEART and CONFESSES with his mouth is saved.

    3) Paul has always taught that salvation is by belief in the completed work of Jesus. Any prayer is a confession of that faith. Nothing wrong there.

    4) Always quote King James, not other bibles and you will see the difference. ( 1Co 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are THEY then baptized for the dead?) Paul was teaching that even the pagan believe in life after death, and THEY ( not we ) baptize the dead in that belief. Paul was NOT saying that there was Christians who were doing it and we should follow suit. Note the THEY.


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    1. It is the Word that saves, not the decision to be baptized and not your decision to believe.

      But if Baptism plays no role in salvation, why did God say to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins? Why didn't he say, "Repent and pray a version of the Sinner's Prayer to be saved and to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, and THEN be baptized.


      Acts 2:38 (KJV)

      Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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    2. "not the decision to be baptized " ??? Really? So did you make a decision or not?

      Engage in self deception and be a parrot if you want. Fact remains, you made a decision.

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