YOGA - ANOTHER CHRISTIAN SUPERSTITION

Christians In Bondage

Christian Taboos Driven By Superstition

Christians are not supposed to be superstitious.  In reality, it is not so.  Today, on the Facebook I happened to read a posting from friend that asked whether Christians should practice yoga?  Many Christian taboos are driven by superstition and legalism, and rather than fear of God.  This is one of them.

This question about yoga is not something new.  As a young Christian, I was warned against getting into yoga, martial arts and acupuncture.   Interestingly, sometime in 2008 the government  of Malaysia raised a hue and cry against Muslims being involved in yoga and made a laughing stock of itself.

I venture to elaborate on my views.  Everything in our body is created by God, not only the muscles, but including the chakras and all their wonderful hidden functions.   The body functions can be activated and exercised physically to make the body perform better.  Stretching, rubbing, massaging and stimulation with the needle or electrical pulses do this work.  Nothing spiritual needs to be involved.

However, some people have used spiritual  stimulation of the body through Yoga, Karate or Tai Chi, or acupressure or acupuncture. 

What is Yoga, Tai Chi, Karate?

Now, what is Karate or Tai Chi? Speaking as a past exponent of these arts, they are nothing more than physical regimentation of the body to perform certain reflexes.  In the course of the regimentation, joints, sinews and muscles are stretched.  Nerves are trained to react and respond rapidly.  This is basically the same with yoga.  Acupressure and acupuncture are nothing more than physical stimulation of certain central nervous gateways.  But Yoga is stretching exercises imbued with spiritualism.  Without the spiritualism, it is just an exercise of the muscles, joints and sinews.  There is also some form of meditation in Karate and Tai Chi, but usually only at the advanced stages of these practices.  Most of the practitioners of Karate or Tai Chi who do meditate do not really identify their acts of meditation as anything spiritual, mostly that is.  To them, it is mainly a cultural thing.  But I do remember 2 of my past teachers warning me that if I am not careful during the meditation sessions, I could suffer spiritual attack and can lose my mind.  This is for those who know.

Exercising Without Spiritual Involvement

Let me point this out.  It is possible to perform Karate, Tai Chi, acupressure and even Yoga without the involvement of the spiritual dimension at all.  Yes, people can be drawn into the spiritual dimension of these arts if they are ignorant of its existence.  This was so with me in the past.  Yoga can be practiced as a body stretching exercise by dispensing with all the symbolic hand signs, meditation and chanting. For example, the sound "Om" is spiritual salutation of sorts.  Certain body stances are stances of worship.  Just don't do these.  Karate and Tai Chi can be practiced without meditation.  Acupressure can be done by simple massaging or even an Osim Japanese electrical massager.   As one Pastor Shibu Peediakal very aptly quoted Titus 1: 15. ”all things are pure to the pure”.   If say exercising with Hindu-based yoga-like stretching is disallowed, then to be consistent, is not cremation also to be disallowed since the concept in Hinduism is the sacrifice of the body to Agni?  `

“All Things Are Pure”  When The Heart is Pure

“All things are pure” however does not apply to an act like pornography, or robbery for that matter. Sex is not the same as pornography.  Sex is a reproductive function to be performed with one’s life-long partner, and it comes together with bodily pleasure, by the grace of the Lord.  Watching pornography for pleasure is an act which stems out of lust of the flesh.  “ Pornography”  comes of out of the word “porneia” ( meaning fornication).  It is engaging in sex outside of marriage in the pursuit of lust of the flesh.  Lusting after the flesh is a sin.  But the act of sex with one’s mate is pure, and does not defile.  The lust for sex outside of marriage defiles.  Love for pornographic material is after the manner of lusting after the flesh.  Watching pornography with lust in the heart defiles.  But if I chanced upon a pornographic scene in a movie, which I happen to be  watching, and I do not lust but in fact watch it with disdain, do I sin?  Surely not.   So it is not seeing that is sin, but what is in the heart.    Robbery is not pure because I cannot commit a robbery without premeditating it as an evil.  

Sex in itself is not evil or impure.  Similarly meat ( food ) in itself is pure, having been  created for food.  But somebody thought it right to offer food to his idols and added a spiritual dimension to that food.  However, the fact that the food was offered to idols does not make the food impure for consumption.  But it is reverence in the heart for that food for the fact that it has tasted by idols, or is blessed for being so, makes the person sin.  The food remains “pure” .

Conclusion

If you want to do stretching exercises, go ahead and stretch. You can stretch doing yoga-like actions,  Tai Chi like motions or torture yourself with Karate leg-pulling and kicking, bending and pounding with the fists.  Just don’t get into the meditation stage or “stilling” the mind.  Do the exercises while filling your mind with Psalms and praising God that He gave you the ability to do so.  If you want to massage a nervous system median here and there, go ahead.  And if you are so sensitive to being in advertently drawn into idolatry, then don’t call it yoga or chakra.   But really, the fact that you continue to call the stretching movements "yoga" or the median points "chakra" does not make the activity spiritual.  If you feel uncomfortable, then invent your own terminology by all means.    The median points were there in Adam before the term "chakra" was invented.  Adam had muscles and joints long before the first idols appeared.  You don't have to do Yoga.  You just do stretching exercises.  

But when churches ( in USA ) bring Yoga as Yoga into the church together with its meditation or chanting, then they are also bringing in idolatry into the church.  But if these (not so) smart churches had just bring in exercises for loosening muscles, joint and sinews, there would not have been a problem.  What is crucial is not to get involved with making their spiritual sounds, chantings or meditation, for it is the meditation and chanting rather than the form that makes Yoga to be Yoga.  Yoga without the chanting and meditation is just stretching exercise, even if you still want to call it Yoga.

What I love about Jesus is that His teachings go straight to the heart.  God searches the heart.  Jesus is never interested in people going through the motions of trying to appear holy.  Holiness is in the heart.

If you choose to be superstitious and live a Christian life under bondage, it is your choice.  Who can stop you?

Jesus says in John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."

Will A Loving God Send Man To Eternal Hell?

IS GOD CRUEL?

No, He is not. A most loving God has done the unthinkable thing to ensure you don't go to hell.  It is just that you choose to mock at His offer of eternal life to you.

Related Reading:

Will God Be Angry Enough?

(1) The Deceived Shall Stay Deceived 

(2）Is Hell Eternal?   

(3）Is Jesus Also The Father? Part 1

(4） Is Jesus Also The Father ?Part 2

The white man brought Christianity to the East, and because of it, today I am able to know the one God, the One who created all things seen and unseen.  For that I am thankful.  But on the other hand, I also realize that the white man that brought God into my Eastern culture has used their God-given wisdom to reason same God out of their own culture!   Such is the folly of human wisdom.  The churches in the western hemisphere that preach holy living and obedience to God’s commandments on holy living are scarce and few.  Wicked churches emphasize only obedience of believers in terms of paying money into their coffers.

What is the cause of this folly?  The bible tells us it is the lust of the heart.

Jas 1:14  But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

 That great desire springing from the seed of the devil inside man to sin against God, coupled with the innate knowledge, and fear of the coming wrath of God against unrepentant sinners.  They want desperately to sin and continue sinning, yet they fear the judgment and wrath of God. 

The saddest thing I see is that many Asians look up to white man so highly that they have simply accepted the teachings of ungodly white men who had created them so that they can justify their love for adultery, fornication and sodomy. Very often, these Asians call themselves Bible Students.  What have they learned?

Atheism -The Solution of The Wicked

How can one freely sin without having to fear?  He reasons, “Oh, if only there is no God, then there is no judgment! ”  And thus some have reasoned God out of their lives by inventing the idea of atheism.  Such is the folly of their wisdom.  “Since there is no God, there will be no punishment.  Since there is no punishment, we can do as we please.”

But then, not every lusting sinner buys into the idea of atheism.  There is this inborn and deep-seated knowledge in most people that God does exists,

Rom 1:20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

and He is going to judge. 

Eze 33:9  Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity;

And not everyone of them can numb this knowledge.  The lust to continue sinning brings them to find, or rather twist out meanings in the scriptures which are not there, such as: “Maybe God is not angry with that sin after all” , or “Hell is really not what the bible says it is.”  Here is an illustration of this approach.  The homosexuals or habitual adulterer may well reason that since God is love, surely that love extends also to the homosexuals as well.  “Didn’t the scriptures say that God loves the sinners?  Are not homosexuals also sinners?” or “Didn’t the scriptures say that Jonathan the son of King Saul said that he loves David ? ( They interpret 1Sa18:1  out of its context, for the verse actually says Jonathan loves David as his own soul, and not as his lover)  Ahhh!  That means Jonathan and David were having a homosexual affair!  Yet David is the king that God loves the most.  Therefore God loves homosexuals and it is okay to be a homosexual!”   Sorry, no.  The bible says homosexuals and all sinners for that matter, who do not cease and desist, and repent from whatever they are doing are all going into hell!

Reasoning Hell Out of Their Minds

Well then, since that does not work, the homosexuals would start reasoning ( it is their own reasoning, mind you.  There is no bible verse to support it )  that,  “Surely it is against the nature of a merciful, gracious and loving God to torment people in hell permanently and endlessly.  If He does that, He is no longer God, at least not one worthy of worship.  Therefore the fires of hell will surely annihilate the sinners after some intense burning …. and then poof! every essence of sinner vanishes for good!”   Now, that sounds something like the ultimate state of nirvana which a Buddhist tries to achieve through perfection in living.  These evil-minded people should try selling their idea to the Buddhists.  “Why strive so hard trying to live a perfect life in order to achieve nirvana? We can sin all we want  and end up as nothingness after a while in hell anyway!”   No, the bible says that the fire in the Lake of Fire is permanent.  Jesus Himself says so in Matthew 25:41 that the fire is everlasting. 

Mat 25:41  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Do they think that Jesus doesn’t know the meaning of everlasting?  Do they think Jesus is stupid like they are?  Not only will hell fire be everlasting, the bible also says that torment from the fire is for ever and ever. 

Rev 14:11  And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Rev 20:10  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

No matter how one twists and turns, and contorts his perverted mind,  “for ever and ever” means just that – for ever and ever.  If anyone sincerely thinks “for ever and ever” does not mean for ever and ever, he must be real stupid.

Some try to justify their idea of annihilation of the soul by referring to what Jesus says in this verse.

Mat 10:28  And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 “Ahh!, they say, “See what Jesus says?  The soul can be destroyed in hell.  Destroyed!  You know what destroyed means?  It means totally gone!  Vanished!”.  Really?  Does being destroyed mean being annihilated? No traces left?  Check the bible.  Was not Babylon destroyed?  Do we not see the ruins of Babylon today?  No, “to destroy” does not mean to annihilate.  What more, they have failed to understand the meaning of destroying the soul in terms of the second death, which is to be cast into the lake of fire!  Satan does not have the power to cast anyone into the lake of fire.  God has.  That is what Mat 10:28 is referring to!

Rev 20:14  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Tormented for ever and ever

Will a Loving, Merciful and Gracious God Put People Into Permanent Torment in Hell?

Let’s get the 3 facts right first.

Fact 1: The bible clearly says that hell was meant for the devil and his angels.  It was not meant for humans.  But if a man chooses to obey the devil to follow the lusts of his heart, he has chosen to become a follower of the devil.  God is not putting him into hell.  He has chosen to follow the devil into hell.  Why blame God? Is God putting him there?  No. He chose to go there.  It is not even like God is putting a surprise decision that any sinner is going to hell. God has given clear warnings, 1000’s of years of warning.

Fact 2: The first immutable nature of God is holiness.  He is absolutely pure, clean if you will.  If God is unholy, He is not God.  And because of His holiness, God cannot stand sin.  Big sin or small sin does not matter.  Whatever He has revealed to us is a sin is a sin which He will not stand for.

Fact 3: The second immutable nature of God is righteousness.  He is just.  In His righteousness, any transgression is to be punished.  If He does not punish, He is no longer righteous.  He is no longer just. All sins must be punished, to be paid for, so to speak.

Would A Loving God Not Punish?

The fact that God loves does not mean that God does not punish those whom He loves.  If God does not punish, then God is not righteous.  God loves man who is His creation.  Yet God has set the law that the wages of sin is death, the penalty of 2^nd death which is in the lake of fire – the destination meant not for man but for the devil and his angels.  And a man who sins shall surely go into the lake of fire together with the devil.  It is God's love for man that makes God warn man what he should not do to avoid going there.  God chides those whom He loves.  It is the love of God that resulted in Him coming into the world as a man to die for His creation; to take the punishment upon Himself so that man whom He loves can be saved.  And if a man chooses ( indeed man chooses ) not to be saved, either out of wickedness or unbelief, it is then not the love of God that sends him there.  God has made a way out for him yet he chooses not to take it.  God has no pleasure in the soul of the wicked that dies.

Eze 18:32  For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye. Eze 33:11  Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked;

The Mercifulness of God

Let us now put to rest the contorted meaning of mercifulness put forward by lustful perverts to convince themselves that a merciful God would not punish.  Mercifulness does not exclude punishment.  Mercifulness softens the impact of the punishment on the offender.  God in His mercy for humans, came into the world Himself and took the punishment for the sins of all men.  God as a man took the stripes of the lashes on His back for sins He did not commit.  God as a man who committed no sin died on the cross on behalf of all sinful men through the ages.  For if God as a man had sinned, He would have died for His own sin only.  God in His mercy paid the penalty, the fine if you will for the transgressions of man.  The punishment has been exacted on Him and God in His mercy extend that gift of carrying your sins and paying for them.  Is that not incomparable mercy?

The Graciousness of God

Do not mistake the graciousness of God to mean that God can ever be unrighteous, unjust and unholy.  The graciousness of God is manifested through His willingness to forgive all and sundry ( regardless of how grave, abominable or disgusting the sin is, not matter how voluminous ) who accept that gift by confessing the sins, asking for His forgiveness and repenting from sinning again.  Is not that graciousness awesome?  All one has to do is to confess and repent and every he is forgiven …. no penalties ( for the penalty has been paid by Jesus Christ ), no fines. All paid for. 

Conclusion

And so, a loving, gracious and merciful God has done everything for the sinning man to NOT go into hell.  All the sinning man has to do is to turn away from his sinning ways and repent and accept the gift of Jesus paying that penalty on his behalf.  Simple.

And scripture confirms that hell fire is everlasting.  You must either find a verse to prove that it is not, or you disbelieve it either because you in your wickedness you think that by not believing it, it will not be everlasting. Either that, or you have been deceived so badly that you cannot comprehend what you read.

And the torment in hell fire is for ever and ever.  You must again prove that it is not by pointing to a verse that says so.  And I will surely say that you cannot find it.

And God is not cruel because God is not sending any human being to hell.  He chooses to follow the devil there.  God is not cruel because God says to the stiff-necked hell-bent sinner that He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked.  He has allowed you free will and a way out of hell.  You chose not to accept it. 

And if you do go into hell for eternal torment, blame yourself and your hell-bent desire to go there.

Jesus says in John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."

The Deceived Shall Stay Deceived

HOW DECEIVED PEOPLE CLING ON TO LIES

（1）Is Hell Eternal?
（2）Is Jesus Also The Father? Part 1
（3） Is Jesus Also The Father ?Part 2

A person can be very sincere about his beliefs and yet he remains wrong about what he has sincerely believed.  This is the essence of a deception.  A deceived person does not know he has been deceived.  If he knows, he would not want to remain deceived, would he?

And so it is with Christians.  Many, many Christians hold on to wrongful teachings and doctrines and think themselves right simply the people who taught them are trusted and qualified people.  Some Christians are just too lazy to do research and read the bible for themselves.  Others are fearful of finding out that they have been holding on to untruths taught to them by trusted people, and they wouldn’t know how to deal with these trusted people after that.  Yet there are also some who are easily confused when they discover contradictory positions and fear making decisions on what is right or wrong.  They then just hold fast to whatever they have accepted and refuse to budge, and they will resort to twisting and turning when confronted, as with the case shown below here.  And a deceived person can be so deceived that he will insist that he is a bible-believer when he actually doesn’t believe what the bible plainly says.

This abstract from a Facebook exchange of views over some scriptures is an illustration in case.  It is reproduced here without the intention to embarrass or ridicule anyone.  For that reason, I have disguised the names of key person involved in this exchange with me.

The main issues are on the questions of whether torment in hell fire is eternal, Trinity and who is Jesus.  Here goes:

 

Golda J’s original posting

Saturday at 3:06am ( 8 Apr 2012)

 

What a coward this Tom  Katta  is. He removed me from the group. Is this what you wanted to happen So-called Bible Believer?

Comments:

Golda J  He cannot have one decent discussion. And he calls himself a full time Bible translator. It is really a pity.

Chan Wang Tak : I had Jehovah Witnesses coming over to "teach" me bible study and then they all run away helter-skelter when they cannot defend their doctrines, but cannot let of the false beliefs that has been force-fed (brainwashed) into them. It takes the mercy of the Lord to open blinded minds. No reason to gripe, Golda when you see them running off. Tells you something, doesn't it?

So-called Bible Believer : He is not running off, he is sending off!! Chan, I'll bet, you cannot stand near JW though they have a few wrong doctrines!! I can never believe what you have written, that they will run helter-skelter. It needs some courage to accept the truth. Pentecostalism is another form of traditional church which has sprouted out of the two major traditional wings, RC and Protestants!!

( Omitted – not relevant comments )

Golda J  Yes Chan. Their behaviour speaks a lot about them. May God have mercy!

Chan Wang Tak  ‎@So-called Bible Believer: I see you take my meaning of "running helter-skelter" literally. I can stand JWs, that is why I invite them into my house without fail if they come knocking. I cannot stand their doctrines. Good of you to admit they have some... false doctrines. Now I believe you are not a JW, but one who shares many of their wrong doctrines anyway. It does take courage to accept the truth. Actually it takes humility because the ego is the first victim in a deceived person. And to correct you ( if you will be ), everything ends up being traditional after a while. Do you not think so? It will be nice if you will agree, not that you cannot.

Chan Wang Tak  Every cultist I have met knows what he believes. No cultist have come to me telling me something he doesn't believe in. Everyone of them is very sincere except he only doesn't know which of his beliefs are wrong. So, he is very sincere...ly wrong. When one is wrong, one cannot logically defend one's stand. That results in frustration and anger on his part and he usually strikes out with sarcasm, bad words or he retreats into his shell. I don't doubt their sincerity.  Saturday at 1:55pm

 

So-called Bible Believer As you share the Catholic Doctrines Chang!!  Saturday at 9:56pm ·

 

Chan Wang Tak Do I? What makes you think so? Care to elaborate? Saturday at 9:58pm · 

So-called Bible Believer Other than the idol worship you have everything in common!! The holy trinity, the fiery hell are more than enough!!  Saturday at 10:07pm · 

Chan Wang Tak So, it looks like you are again confirming your ignorance of scriptures. Good for you. When you want to learn about the awesomeness of the substance of God, just ask. Or else you can choose to stay ignorant and be smug about that ignorance. You don't have to believe in the fiery hell which torments forever but that doesn't mean it is not there. Saturday at 11:27pm  

So-called Bible Believer I believe the scriptures alone and not some man made theory on pagan fiery hell!! It suits well for you people to believe some substance of God out of scriptures, the pagan trinity!! What more!! Keep believing till you learn!! Good Night!! 23 hours ago · 

Chan Wang Tak This KJV verse is not meant for So-called Bible Believer who believes another bible : Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Cheers! 16 hours ago  

So-called Bible Believer OK, so the lake of fire and brimstone cannot destroy something? What sort of KJV fire is that? I thought fire is able to destroy every bit of anything you put into it!! And mind you Chang, I refer KJV too which has more errors than the other translations. May be you people like to read errors more to support your erroneous doctrines!! Good luck for your Cheers!! 14 hours ago · 

Chan Wang Tak  Dear So-called Bible Believer, KJV has more errors than other translations. That shows you have been believing what other people tell you. You are not a researcher. You are also a strange species of "bible-believer" when you cannot read and understand t...he words "tormented day and night for ever and ever". You did not check back to find that the 2 beasts are to be thrown into the lake 1000 yrs before satan, and are still there burning and being tormented when the devil is thrown in later. You believe the bible only in the way you have been brainwashed to understand it. It is not your understanding. Heck, it is not your misunderstanding even. You inherited it from others. 7 hours ago

 

So-called Bible Believer  Can you show me a fire in which any object can stay for ever and ever.......!! If you have reasons pour in, and don't worry about my understanding or believing. I have much better foundation than you. You people speak of all words that will... not be found in scriptures and yet find fault in others understanding!!

You read the book of revelation literal wherein you will find even a beast being burned and tormented!! Any logic of a beast to be tormented? Please don't prove your understanding by quoting Revelation, which I'll prove you will be a BIG ZERO!! 7 hours ago · 

Chan Wang Tak  The sun? Gotcha! Anyway, that's not the point. The point is you claim you are bible believer when you are not. You use your own fallacious reasoning to over ride God's word. Incidentally Jesus also said that the fire is everlasting, re...: Mat 25:41 and when Jesus says so, I believe. You don't. Anyway I am answering you here only because I don't want other readers to be confused. I am sure they will check out the truth for themselves. I am not answering you not for the purpose of convincing you. You are beyond convincing because of the hardness of your heart; only the Holy Spirit can. Stay blind. Your choice. 6 hours ago

 

So-called Bible Believer Instead of proving a point you start judging others about their belief. Nothing more you know because you are all a team of hell mongers. Preserve your fire it will be useful for you to sit in!! I have long before left the idiotic belief wh...ich you have now. You are not answering here, you are still judging!! Be in your everlasting fire theory, hell mongers!! I am astonished to see only one constant liker for your silly comments which doesn't prove anything other than describing my faith!! I still say you will be a BIG ZERO in revelation!! 5 hours ago ·

 

Golda J We all do this to save you from hell fire!! So what about Matt 25:41?  5 hours ago ·

  

So-called Bible Believer There is one who has already saved me from hell (grave). so I am not interested in your assistance, you are all hell mongers, I know!! If you can understand Christ thru some "everlasting fire" that's your way of understanding, please excuse me, I understand the love of God thru Christ and I preach that!!

So-called Bible Believer ‎//Full time ministry should be done only if God specifically ask us to do// VSK and SSS are role models, perhaps!! Which God specifically asked them to do "Full time ministry"? At least not the God of scriptures, because he does not want characters of these sort!!  4 hours ago ·

 

Chan Wang Tak Hmmm. "Everlasting" doesn't mean everlasting. Yet you say you are a bible believer. "For ever" doesn't mean for ever. That's another great way to believe. And when you cannot explain or defend yourself, hurl names and insults. That's a great way to discuss things, too. Need I say more?4 hours ago ·

 

So-called Bible Believer You need not say anything more, cause I don't want to listen to your silly arguments which I left years back!! Please preach to those who have ears to hear you and not the scriptures!! So what were you doing so far? Describing my faith and ...belief, and now what's that? When it comes to you you start crying of hurling names and insults!! Please refer your previous comments and you can see that every first statement would be dedicated to my faith and belief!! You want to twist the facts and so you attack my faith and belief and my understanding. If that suits you, this too should suit you!! Good bye Mr Chan and God Bless you, the God of Scriptures and not the god of Hell mongers!! 4 hours ago · 

Chan Wang Tak You really have a great way to believe by unbelieving. Great way to end a discussion you cannot uphold too. Cheers, So-called Bible Believer. Like I said, I wasn't trying to convince you, just wanted those who read what you wrote to read also the truth so that they can choose. Cheers.  3 hours ago ·

 

So-called Bible Believer  If you really want to teach someone, please go ahead with your pagan faith!! And please don't again try to convince me. You have many threads to start teaching. And if you think you have "Chosen" some truth, I would say, I have left that lo...ng years back, and am into biblical truth!! My belief is in One God of the scriptures and not a trinity of some pagan origin!! So please Cherish and enjoy and grow in your faith and believes and just leave me alone!! I am quite satisfied in what I am!!

Chan Wang Tak So So-called Bible Believer, you have become steadfast in your faith in another gospel, another Jesus and an another spirit which is not the Holy Spirit. 2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth *another Jesus,* whom we have not preached, or if ye receive **another spirit,** which ye have not received, or *another gospel*, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.    

So-called Bible Believer  The Gospel does not have a word trinity or triune in it and if you think this is that other Gospel, well I am very much into your other Gospel. I have scriptures which state that Christ is Son of God more than n times, and if you think that... is the other Gospel, well I am very comfortable with what you call the other Gospel!! And I am least bothered about what you preach, what you have received and all that nonsense stuff!! I hope your followers or likers may be happy to listen to you or read your comments, I will be the last one!! You always meet cults, you always have encounters with JW or likes, so you think you have jumped out of some heaven? Please stop preaching me and I think that is enough!!  2 hours ago 

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Chan Wang Tak This is not for So-called Bible Believer. I am NOT preaching to you. This is for other readers. You cannot be preached to. // 2Co 4:4 (For) the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. // The bible does not have the word "bible" either.  2 hours ago ·

 

So-called Bible Believer Height of comedy folks!! If somebody is worshiping bible as trinity, then Chan might have impressed you with his intelligent finding!!  2 hours ago ·

Chan Wang Tak ‎(For) if he that cometh preacheth *another Jesus,* whom we have not preached, or if ye receive **another spirit,** which ye have not received, or *another gospel*, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. The god of this world has surely blinded the minds of some, so that they think their "god" is the God of the bible.  about an hour ago ·

 

Chan Wang Tak So blind that they learn English and yet understand not English as English is read.  59 minutes ago · 

So-called Bible Believer Those who are blinded will never follow the God of the scriptures!! They follow a unscriptural triune god!! I believe and preach Christ as Son of God. But if you follow a triune God you cannot preach thus!!  55 minutes ago ·

 

Chan Wang Tak  This explanation is NOT for So-called Bible Believer. It is meant for those who might be confused by what his mind fails to understand. The mystery of the substance of God is a true mystery. Luke 4 clearly says Jesus is to be "called" the Son o...f God. Jehovah is the first and the last. So is Jesus. Jehovah is El Gibbor. So is Jesus. God raised Jesus. Jesus raised Himself. The Holy Spirit raised Jesus. Jehovah alone is the savior, yet Jesus is also the savior. Jehovah is the Lord of Lords, so is Jesus. Still cannot get it? No wonder it is called a mystery. It sure is a mystery to some.   49 minutes ago ·

 

Chan Wang Tak If you cannot understand, you cannot understand. Simple to the childlike believer, complex to the unbelieving believer  48 minutes ago

 

So-called Bible Believer   The oversmarts understand something which is not available in scriptures. Chan Wang Tak, enough of your nonsense preaching and teaching. Jehovah is El-Sheddai and Christ is El-Gibbor!! Ok.

Isaiah 9:6: Mighty God is El Gibbor!!

Gen 28:3 G...od Almighty is El Sheddai!!

Go to school before becoming a teacher!! And never try to underestimate others and overestimate yourself!! A Childlike believer may fall into your trap of teaching El Gibbor is Jehovah and So is Jesus theory and things of this sort!! God is not a God of confusion which you term as mystery!! If he is a mystery to you, you are into pagan worship!!  40 minutes ago ·

 

Chan Wang Tak Gotcha again!! Again, this verse is NOT for the unteachable. This verse is to show readers that the unteachable do not research. Here is just one of the verses that say that Jehovah is El Gibbor Mighty God. Jer 32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name.  30 minutes ago ·

 

Chan Wang Tak   That is why Christians must learn to read the bible on their own and do their own research instead of depending on others to teach them. Do not depend on reading magazine articles and circular letters either. Cults always use these materia...l to control what their members are to learn, to prevent members from learning the truth on their own by reading the bible. While we do learn from others' teachings and reading materials, we are spoon-fed a lot of nonsense. We then believe these nonsense and try to defend nonsense and end up being put to shame by the word of God.  24 minutes ago  

So-called Bible Believer   There is nothing wrong for an Almighty to be called a Mighty, but a Mighty cannot be Almighty!! Jehovah may be called El-Jibbor, but Christ as Mighty God cannot be El-Sheddai!! 14 minutes ago 

Chan Wang Tak   ‎???? That's a lame argument, don't you think? Ingeniously lame.  a few seconds ago  

Chan Wang Tak   When your arguments drops to this level, it is time to do some research on your own. Bye bye. It is 2 am here. I am going to sleep.

And so we see how blinded Mr. So-called Bible-Believer is.  Only the Holy Spirit can change him. But then, he does not believe in the Holy Spirit.  To him the Holy Spirit is an “it”.

He has obviously believed in another Jesus, another gospel and another spirit that 2Co 11:4 warned us about.  And whoever preaches another gospel is accursed!

Gal 1:8  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 

And surely as Jesus says in John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."